Lexington Steele: I know that the women I sleep with might be without protection and have not tested; men are dogs and that’s not to make an excuse. That’s a weakness”

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Rebecca Bardoux and Alexis Ford were guests on Lexington Steele’s Size Matters Show on LA Talk Radio, Thursday night.

The topics ranged from porn fans, free porn to Measure B to which Bardoux called AHF’s Michael Weinstein a “sonofabitch”. Bardoux also lamented the loss of the porn star lustre. “Now we’re just a bunch of people who fuck on film,” she said.

Bardoux, who started in the business about 20 years ago. said she never had the pleasure of Steele’s “wonderful cock.”

Bardoux who, got in the industry of August, 1992, recalled being in Face Dance which she shot a couple of months later and which got Best Film of the Year.

“I sure did hit the ground running.”

Asked if she was a dom or a sub, Bardoux said she was a sub except when it came to being with a girl then she’d be dominant. But with a man in her personal life, Bardoux said, “I’m submissive. I like man to take me. Any man who wants to tie me up, spank me and tell me what to do…”

Bardoux said she’s never worked with Kink.com, however.

Steele brought up Bardoux’s resume and the fact that she’s done over 250 “scenes”.

Bardoux said she hates that designation.

“Back in the day they weren’t ‘scenes’, they were movies. We were doing movies. We didn’t go to the set, fuck for two hours then go home. We had scripts. We were doing movies with dialogue.

“Back in those days before the Internet came around you could not mix sex with any type of bondage. If you were tying someone up and beating them you could not get involved with any type of intercourse. Now with the days of the Internet you can beat the shit out of someone and double-anal them.”

Steele agreed that what you now find on line “has circumvented all measure of lawless niche behavior.”

For her part Ford, who is a former contract girl in Adam & Eve, said she wasn’t personally into bondage and it doesn’t get her off.

Ford said now that she wasn’t shooting features any more, she feels like she’s re-started her industry career by shooting for a different market.

“The fans that I made from the Internet are not the fans buying DVDs. The feature DVDs are great to have when you go on the road. If I take a DVD that has all sex and great cum shots, they kind of look at it and go whatever. But I made all these new fans. I’ve probably gained all these new ones- all these young guys.”

Bardoux retired for a number of years and returned. Steele asked her what was the biggest difference in that time.

“The primary difference is that there’s a helluva lot more people out there [in the industry],” replied Bardoux.

“There’s not as much of a performance involved. By performance we are creating an entertainment for people to watch and get off on. There’s a look and a certain way you got to do things. When you’re having sex on a set it’s not about getting off it’s about making it where people at home can get off.”

According to Bardoux, another drawback, what with all the stopping and starting necessitated in porn shoots, was if the director and camera guy weren’t ready for, you had to hold off from having an orgasm.

Steele wondered aloud if porn movies were catching up to mainstream movies. Bardoux said with porn’s employment of ‘green screens’ and 3D she could see where that comparison could be made.

Bill Cosby lookalike, Thomas Ward, who was co-hosting, said he’d show friends the Cosby porn parody he did and they’d swear it was the television show.

Steele also brought up the subject of piracy and how, though it’s led to a sizable dent in porn revenue, but, at the same time, has afforded a great Q factor for performers.

“But there’s a fear that an 18-35 demographic is moving into consumership. They spend a lot of money they can’t afford to be spending but they spend it. But this generation has never bought anything online so now even if we have laws that say you have to pay for this shit, they’ll never pay for it. Conceptually it’s a foreign concept to them.”

Bardoux added that what those porn fans will find out when they turn 35 is that their dicks are going to fall off.

“It’s karma, baby, and when your dick falls off at 35 you’re going to say I wish I paid for porn.”

Ford said at the conventions she reminds fans to pay for the pussy.

“Because if you don’t put money back into the movies then nobody will have money for production.”

Bardoux likened it to going to a Ralph’s supermarket and taking items.

“I need a chicken so I’m just going to take it.”

Yet Bardoux was willing to concede that if presented the choice of having a Prada purse for free or paying for the exact same purse, she’d take the free one.

“It’s unfortunate, but that’s the way it’s going to be.”

Steele suggested that as the economy began to tank, porn, as a product, become a luxury recreational item such as paying $49 for a DVD to watch Alexis Texas, Alexis Silver and Rebecca Bardoux in the same movie.

“That’s a luxury item, buying a DVD, correct?”

“Putting gas in you car or beat your meat? That’s a life decision right there,” mused Ward.

It was also noted that mainstream has lent no support at all to the porn piracy fight and that adult companies are probably spending more money, via lawyers, than what they’re taking in to keep their product off line.

Ward said piracy’s going to bite the mainstream in the ass as well.

“And they’re going to be sorry they didn’t take care of it.”

Steel said what’s also suffering now is the quality of porn and that there aren’t the finances to produce high end product.

“The ability to product high caliber gonzo has been jeopardized by online theft. You’re going to see quality dissipate across the board.”

Bardoux said while there’s quality, there’s also “a bunch of crap.”

“People don’t even know how to light a scene. It’s up to the fans to say we’re not going to put up with this any more. But it’s hard because no one’s going to stand up and say I watch porn.”

Steele also pointed out that the adult business being a so-called billion dollar industry doesn’t have lobbyists in Washington D.C. to implement change.

On the subject of “No” on Measure B, Steele said it will have “demonstrative effect” on the industry. Ward views it as a witch hunt.

“It has to be something political; somebody had something to gain by this whole thing happening. There’s somebody gaining from this.”

“Michael Weinstein,” replied Bardoux, the self-acknowledged “Pioneer of ‘No’ on Measure B.”.

“He’s the one gaining from it. He’s going to put condoms back in porn movies. Everybody’s going to watch porn movies and think, wow, I have to use a condom now. Sales of condoms are going to go up; he’s going to put that scare tactic back into the country and the world and people are going to start buying condoms.

“The condom companies, in turn, are going to give AIDS Healthcare Foundation more money and that money’s going into Weinstein’s pocket. This has nothing to do with protecting the adult industry performers.

“And I’ve worked my ass off on this campaign for many months and I just want to say he’s a sonofabitch. Sorry.”

Ward said, not to put a stigma on the gay side, but the mainstream media doesn’t make the distinction on which side of the fence an HIV performer might be working on. Ward suggested that a performer who’s worked on the gay side and is doing a crossover should be required to wear condoms.

Bardoux said the industry protocols must be working.

“I’ve been doing it for 20 years and I haven’t gotten anything. And there are performers who have been working longer than I have, that haven’t gotten anything. We test and take care of ourselves.

“If you work in the adult industry as a performer, you are responsible for taking care of yourself and your fellow performers whether you’re working within the industry or outside of the industry,” Bardoux continued.

“That is your obligation. If you don’t want to have safe sex outside the industry then get the fuck out of the industry and go work at McDonald’s.”

Steele also added that “In our personal lives sometimes you roll the dice; I know that I’m tested, and I know that the women I sleep with might be without protection and have not tested; men are dogs and that’s not to make an excuse. That’s a weakness.”

Ford added, “I think porn performers are the cleanest people really in the world because if anything’s wrong down there, we know right away; we’re not showing up on the set with things dripping out of us, or herpes or warts; obviously it would show.”

As a web has holes, Steele is willing to concede that testing is not without it’s holes.

“It can be argued that once a person has sex away from camera with someone who does not have a test, that test has been rendered superficial. But does the use of a condom push it beyond what is necessary? That is the question. Do we believe that industry people will begin to shoot outside of LA County?”

Bardoux said she’s never in her time in the business seen people from outside of porn stepping in and telling people what to do.

“We didn’t want the spotlight; we didn’t need the spotlight; we got the spotlight and this is what happens when you get the spotlight. With fame comes a lot of bullshit you didn’t want.”

Commenting on the ready access that fans have online to porn performers, Bardoux added, “We used to go to conventions and they didn’t even get close to us. They stood in line and got our autographs. There was none of this the fans went to the same parties we did. There was a separation.

“Those guys didn’t get to touch us. There was nothing like that. It was separation. We were considered stars and we were untouchable. Nowadays you go to these clubs, these parties they have, every weekend, you’ve got fans standing next to you trying to grab your ass.”

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