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The very outspoken and opinionated Nick East, a former male performer, was a call-in guest on The Rob Black Show, www.therobblackshow.com Monday afternoon.

“You have a voice and are speaking out before a lot of people were,” Black told him. East explained how he started in 1990 “as naïve as could be about the ways of the world. I was only 20. Back then things were different from the way they are now.”

“I grew up in the industry and I know where all bodies are buried,” East continued.

“At one point I messed up because I wouldn’t have sex with Marci Hirsch and because of that I was blacklisted and things changed further with Viagra. I looked around and saw this business wan’t what it was when I entered.

“After I got into the Hall of Fame I took a look around me and said this is not for me any more. I got out; I was sickened by the business which changed drastically. I was sickened by it.”

“We never worked together,” noted Black.

“We kind of missed each other. When I got in I did all the crazy stuff, and you were more of the Jim Hollidays, the Vivids, the Tony Tedeschis, the St. Croixs. I had the Rick Masters. We never crossed paths so to speak.”

Asked what he’s up to these days, East explained that he was “in the oil business” that it involved servicing underground gas tanks for Arco.

“I had a friend since I first moved to California. Once in awhile I would help him and jumped into it full time.”

What further chagrined East about the business were the comments that would come out of Diane Duke’s mouth.

“I was flabbergasted out of the dumbness,” says East. “I was actually forced into action at that point in time.

“People started saying, ‘Ugh, condoms, we don’t want condoms.’ I was thinking to myself even though I’m not a performer any more, I’m always going to be known as a performer whether I like it or not.

“The current crop of performers want to go out and embarrass themselves, ‘Hey, we’re modern day gladiators and we have every right to die, so our masters can make more.’

“I was shocked so I started becoming vocal on comment boards where I started getting attacked by Michael Whiteacre, aka Ari Bass, because he said, ‘He [East] wanted to be in the industry but he couldn’t make it; now he’s all upset.’

“Not the case at all.” East said he went on the attack and others started listening.

“What is this guy saying- that companies don’t have the right to put their employees at health risk simply for a piece of profits. In America?”

“I’ve told talent stay out of this, this isn’t your fight. Let those other guys fight this out because they’re taking any ability to choose away from you- if you want proof, go on a Wicked set and tell them you don’t want to wear a condom. Ugh. Choice.”

As performers, Black said you show up on set and the guy says today we’re all condoms; hey, today, we fuck with sheep on our heads.”

“When you hear performers saying we don’t want condoms, they have no fucking clue,” Black went on to say.

“It doesn’t matter now. Tomorrow if it went condom all these kids saying no rubbers it irritates my pussy; get the fuck out of here. What do you do privately when you’re fucking all the tricks- you don’t wear rubbers? It makes no sense.”

Black noted that on the paperwork it states that you have a choice to wear a rubber.

“Kink does that but if you look at them and go, I can use a rubber? They go, well, yeah, it’s kind of frowned on.”

East didn’t know when it happened but came a time performers would sign a model release and as soon as they got on the set, “They suddenly had to give away free behind the scenes footage and peeing videos and showering videos or whatever those guys could come up with while you’re on set.

“You should be signing five differenmt model releases because it’s five different things. If you give them any lip on the set they will release the behind the scenes footage of you throwing a tizzy fit and embarrass you. So they’ve got you by the balls the minute you walk on a set.”

East continued, “The industry used to be we knew each other; we knew each other by our real names. We would never run around on the sets with an STD. Suddenly all that changed. Sean Ricks actually told me when I said I can’t do this scene. I suddenly felt something funny down there. I went to the bathroom.

“He puts his arm around me and says, ‘Nick, it’s the risk the girl takes; just do the scene.’”

Proof of his earlier comment that he knows where the bodies are buried, East said, “You don’t see Marci Hirsch coming after me and saying how dare you sully my reputation by saying I tried to have sex with you. No, she can’t because I’ve got a lot more information on her as well.”

East remembers when you couldn’t have a video distributed it had certain content.

“There was no Internet; you couldn’t get a video out out there if it had fisting in it. Suddenly comes the Internet and everyone’s their own distributor. It’s all digital, just a bunch of zeros and ones sent over the air. All the rules were thrown out. Let’s see what the audience wants to see. We can give them whatever they want to see regardless of whether it’s good or not because the audience spoke.

“We’ve got Max Hardcore out there raping girls, and we’ve got someone breaking a girl’s neck and that’s supposed to be a badge of honor? What the fuck. It sickens me all around the way people in this industry have completely turned 180 degrees.”

East suspected that once Manwin acquired enough of the porn industry, free tubes are “going bye-bye as fast as you can say what happened to the free porn. They’ll have cornered the world pornography market for the foreseeable future.”

Black asked East how would you go about changing the mindset of talent and what they’re doing.

“I don’t know if you can get them to change their mindset and what they’re doing,” replied East.

“The talent today is self-medicated. If they get a funny feeling, they pop a pill. If they do go to a doctor they go to doctor Riggs so that no one in the industry finds out. But they think it’s a badge of honor to say I never caught an STD. Hi, James Deen. Right. They consider keeping things hush hush as the right way to do it and try to make people think what they do is such a wonderful profession.

“Julie Meadows is butt hurt because she gets later in life and realizes what a mistake she made by being in porn. Now she’s trying to validate what she did by saying everything’s good.

“‘I don’t know why they’re talking about condoms. What happned to Nick. He used to work without condoms all the time.’

“You’re right, Julie, I did. I also worked with condoms. You know that thing about four, five hours, all the friction, oh gee whiz. Give it a break. Talk to the girls over at The Bunny Ranch about condoms and how much they hurt. But, oh those Johns are only going for a few minutes. No they’re not, and we’re not going on for four or five hours on set, either.”

Black said that’s so true especially when that time is mostly occupied about hanging out, smoking weed, drinking beer. “And that’s a gonzo set.”

“If you’re on a production you’re sitting around while they do the lights.”

“Dude, nobody fucks for five hours. It doesn’t happen! It’s such a bullshit lie.”

East remembered the time that Seka made him glue the tip of a rubber to the tip of his penis while she gave him a blowjob.

“Now that hurt,” East laughed.

Black said regulation would force everyone to change and that’s how you would have change.

“It’s like a seat belt law. Before seat belts came around nobody ever wore I seat belt. “The minute that seat blt law came in, it took a little bit of time but now nobody gets into the car without putting a seat belt on. It’s automatic.”

[Black forgets to mwention that car manufacturers make it in a way where you have to clamp one on; if not, cops stop you with tickets. Condom regulation would need the equivalent.]

Black suspects that once condom regulation comes in, “It’ll take a bit of time but I think eventually we’ll go, you have to go here, you gotta do this, you gotta do that or we get in trouble. Now nobody gives nobody shit.”

On the Mr. Marcus argument, East said, “Who’s going to tell him he can’t work and what authority will they have to do that? Or are they going to keep him from making his own movies? Are they going to keep him from going to Sardo’s and saying, hey, baby, come back to my place. I got a video camera and we’re going to do a POV scene. Nothing.

“All you can do is to tell them that if they’re going to do it, they’re going to do it the legal way so that the performers are protected from unnecessary risk and harm.”

Black notes that in an industry that affords no health care or workman’s comp, people like himself and East are demonized.

As an example of ridiculous porn thinking, Black recalled the time David Aaron Clark was shooting a movie for him. Clark, said Black, had Luciano wear a condom because a girl was bleeding from the ass. It was supposed to be an anal scene.

“He had Luciano wear a rubber and he fucked the girl in the ass. Instead of not doing the anal scene, Clark said to me, ‘I figured it was safe and we still needed the anal and you would get mad at me because we didn’t get the anal.’

“I said, dude, we don’t use rubbers. That’s our policy, and we do what we do. Secondly, if the girl is bleeding, you fucking idiot, I don’t give a fuck, why would you keep fucking her ass? ‘Well you know it’s an anal scene…’

“But I would never say she’s bleeding, keep fucking her. To me we’re in the boxing business. We stop the fight maybe a little earlier than we did in the old days because in the old days guys got brain damage. So we know we’re at risk.

“But the business was different back then. How we did things were different. So, inherently we set up a procedure that was different. Tom Byron was a guy who before you was pro-condom and he got blacklisted for about a year and a half.”

“Tommy does it now [without a rubber] because he needs the money. But he goes, ‘fuck this is dangerous shit.’”

“I’m not an angel. While a girl can still be a prostitute she should go to Nevada where it’s safe and regulated. Don’t do it at the Air Tel Plaza for a $100. You could get killed. To me prostitution in a regulated environment I find nothing wrong with it.

“And I find that if the willing participants are of a good mind and body, there’s nothing wrong with it. But it’s when you’re getting a 19 year-old girl that’s practically a runaway and you throw her in a model house and start playing mind games, that’s fucked up.”

East recalled a instance when someone approached him about having sex with one of the girls in the business.

“I said she she doesn’t do that! Later when I talked to the girl and told her what happened she got mad at me!”

Black remembered when he first got into the business Mark Gallagher at Plush had Jeanna Fine signing at their booth.

“Something happened and she gave someone a blowjob. I go, what just happened? They’re going she’s taking care of a customer. They’re like, she gets paid a couple of grand…”

“You mean she’s like a hooker? And they look at me. I go, she’s a porn star. They’re like, dude, shhhhhhh, be quiet. Nobody knows, but they do this stuff.

“It wigged me out that Jeanna Fine, this girl, I find out did privates.”