Porn Valley- With AI News’ Steve Nelson in the middle measuring his dick with a device P.R. guy Brian Gross sent him, it was Anita Cannibal in one corner.
And in case there was any doubt, Cannibal’s the one wearing a green bikini. Cannibal, whose KSEX show on Wednesday night has become a set of brass knuckles, invited Bill Margold on for a debate about condoms in porn.
Margold, who thinks they’re as useless as a house arrest ankle bracelet on Lindsay Lohan, was dressed in a Hawaiian shirt, his hair long and beard just as. Margold explained that it was for a role as Marley’s Ghost in a XXX version of Scrooge that was being shot in December. [Shouldn’t it be coming out in December rather than being shot in December?]
Anyway, Margold, with a flurry of well-appointed words and wit, came flying out of the corner like Pompero Firpo, old school wrestling’s Wild Bull of the Pampas. It was one fall to a finish.
And next week Cannibal had announced Bud Lee to be on, a match that under ordinary circumstances would have to be two out of three lawsuits with an hour time limit. But Lee has already submitted his thanks, but no thanks to that suggestion. www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=24605.
Cannibal asks Margold what she thinks of Lee.
“Not much,” Margold replies tartly.
Nelson, who pretty much remained the tennis net between Margold and Cannibal’s respective volleys, asks Cannibal at one point, “When am I going to eat your pussy?”
“When I’m not on the rag,” she tells him.
Before she got onto the condoms subject, Cannibal reported some findings from her last week’s show about talent agencies. Nelson read from a reviews list to say that Lisa Ann’s agency, Gold Star Modeling, Black Widow and L.A. Direct have apparently dotted the proper “i’s” and crossed the correct “t’s” in obtaining their licenses. Perhaps there are other agencies, but they weren’t mentioned by name.
“And who cares if they’re not licensed or are double-dipping?” Cannibal asked sarcastically.
Nelson also quoted AIM’s Sharon Mitchell as telling him that 95% of the performers in the industry have herpes.
As if this strengthened her point about latex, Cannibal repeated her long held belief that women have the right to be protected in porn’s work environment
“But nobody wants to deal with this,” she says. “Women have rights, and they should be able to exercise their rights. No one’s letting them.”
“What is this right’s bullshit?” Margold wanted to know. “You come into this business, you know what to expect.”
Since Cannibal had brought up the issue, Margold said PAW was created with the concern about a porn performer’s mental stability, not necessarily physical.
“The mind is more fragile than the body,” explains Margold who likes to tell a new girl in the business, ‘Sell me your soul and I will make you famous.’
“Like I did with you in 1997,” he reminds Cannibal.
Margold tells Cannibal that by holding to her currently held beliefs she’ll be a dinosaur in her own lifetime.
“This business was born without restrictions; it will die without restrictions. The law is the death knoll,” Margold added.
He’s also for raising the age limit of performers to 21.
“Get rid of these 18 and 19 year-olds who can’t even write their names,” he insists. “And start brining in intravenous drug testing into this business. It’s not STD’s that’s going to kill this industry. It’s the drugs that’s going to destroy it. If you turn your body into a trash can, it deserves to be in the dumpster.”
Margold remembers the first time he made that remark- it was 1998.
“A petition was gotten together to get me out of PAW,” he recalls. “So I had to create AIM to make sure I could keep PAW. And I have copies of that petition.”
Even though they were fighting like two gerbils over Richard Gere, Margold acknowledged that Cannibal was his favorite of all his “children.”
“I told you that a long, long time ago.” Although he was attempting to string her up by her ears, Margold said he absolutely worshipped Cannibal.
Cannibal referred to a documentary she’s apparently been making for a length of time and said, from her findings, female performers prefer condoms.
“If she had a choice.”
“Of course, because she’s got a camera shoved in her face,” Margold argues. “She’s going to say nooooooooooooooo?”
Margold bleats like a sheep and said he doesn’t believe performers are saying that at all.
According to Cannibal, Alicia Klass, in particular, told her that.
“They’re not liars,” Margold contends. “They simply tell you want you want to hear. They are the quintessential over age juvenile delinquents. When they grow up and accept adult responsibility, they’re of no more value to this business.”
“Wait till you see the documentary,” said Cannibal.
“If you shot it on that little toy camera we’re never going to see it,” he quips.
“And I wished you asked Viper that question,” Margold continued. “Because she would have said anyone who uses a rubber with me doesn’t trust me. The primary motivating force behind anybody doing this has to be to provide entertainment. It is not entertaining to see people take away your fantasy by wearing a goddamn rubber on a dick.”
Cannibal brought up the possibilities of computer generated condom removal. Cannibal said something about her owning the software.
“I was told by an expert, to do that and micro magically get rid of all these images, is not even worth it,” Margold states.
“I absolutely loathe rubbers,” he continues. “The rubber invalidates the fantasy. But if you could establish a reason for the damn things to be in a movie…”
Margold illustrated with a story about the Paul Thomas movie Bad Wives.
“It’s a brilliant movie, and Melissa Hill is a brilliant actress,” Margold continues. “The husband and wife have a sex scene. She sucks his dick and they’re fucking. In the middle of this you notice there’s a rubber on. What the fuck is that rubber doing in the middle of the scene? So I asked Paul Thomas why didn’t you at least establish the rubber going on his dick. Because the highlight of going to a whore house, to be honest with you, is getting your dick washed and the rubber rolling down your dick. The rest of it is mechanical.”
And Margold said he speaks from a lot of experience.
“And when Chris [from Anabolic] asked me who my main squeeze is now, it’s my left hand and I’m very proud of that.”
Getting back to the Thomas story, Margold quotes Thomas as saying he didn’t have the time to establish for the presence of the rubber.
“That is ridiculous.”
“And it’s also ridiculous to shoot an ass-to-mouth scene and the cameraman’s not even looking at you,” adds Cannibal for what that was worth.
“You have a face full of e-coli and it’s not even on the goddamned film.”
As Cannibal kept bringing up aspects of the law, Margold replied, “The law doesn’t mean anything because the industry is against the law.”
Cannibal continued to play her Cal-OSHA card as she did last week when she began urging porn performers to rat out to Cal-OSHA. Margold simply told her, “Cal-OSHA would like to see us dead.”
“I’m going to have to bring the law out,” Cannibal started saying.
“Oh you’re going to bring out the law!” exclaimed Margold. “Ooooooooh. I’m so scared. I’m so scared. Because these sonofbitches in Los Angeles administrative vice terrorized us, I’m scared of some stupid health department that wants us dead in the first place? You’ve got to be kidding.”
Feeling a tad more conciliatory about the subject than Margold, Cannibal kept stating, “We are a lawful business and have earned a seat on the stage of the global economy.”
“We’ve earned nothing,” replied Margold. “We are still absolutely at the bottom of the rung. Bottom of the ladder. We’re the island X in an alphabet that would like to get rid of us but doesn’t understand that if it does, than the other letters are doomed after that.”
Nelson hastened to remind Margold that Cannibal’s insistence on talking about laws is because of the fact she’s studying to be a lawyer
“I have very little use for lawyers,” says Margold.
“I just want people to make informed choices,” insisted Cannibal in her defense, noting that from what she’s being told the gloves are off when the next HIV outbreak occurs.
“Punitive damages- it’s going to happen,” she says.
“Let it happen,” says Margold. “If HIV was as lethal as everyone says, you’d be interviewing us in Drumm’s Mortuary. You’ve got to be kidding about that overrated plague that hasn’t killed enough people, so they’ll find another one to wipe out half the population.
“It’s a failed plague.”
Cannibal then went on to say that her dog has AIDS.
“That’s a crack of shit,” replied Margold.
“My dog has human AIDS,” insisted Cannibal.
“That’s absolutely ridiculous,” Margold repeats. “Are you playing your airhead role again?”
“The problem is this industry’s going to die of fear before it dies of anything else,” Margold believes. “You’re trying to frighten us back into some archaic fear structure. The nature of this business will always be rebellion. The term for you in a strange way, and I hate to use it, is whistle blower.”