I ran into Selena Steele at Erotica L.A. where she could be found at The Free Speech booth. Steele these days is the talent liaison for the organization and from time to time can be found in a Jim Holliday movie. We talked about all that, her back surgery, how she got her start in the business and the first time she ever got fucked in the ass. Steele calls it her “Wesson lesson”. Steele was nursing a migraine this afternoon.

Steele: It’s from my sinuses and I’ve had really bad allergies. The last three days have been hell on me.

Gene: Glamor goddesses are not supposed to have sinus or allergies. How was the show for you.

Steele: It was fun; it was good. Lately I’ve been doing stuff for VCA, Jim Holliday. The last one I did was Charm School. My next project is probably Sorority Sex Kittens 7.

Gene: Wait a second. Holliday usually hires just blondes.

Steele: Oh no! Not when it comes to me and Felicia. We’re the resident brunettes.

Gene: How did you attain such lofty status.

Steele: I don’t know !

Gene: What did you do in Charm School.

Steele: It was fun. I fucked the cameraman. Jake – I don’t know what name he goes by when he does movies. I just know him as Jake. In Cheerleader Pink I think he did a scene with Shayla and Sharon Kane. I saw his dick and said I want that one.

Gene: You coveted his dick. So it wasn’t his Sony that you were after.

Steele: It was like it was sculpted. I named him David, my Michelangelo cock. When you see a beautiful cock you have to ask for it.

Gene: Never having been in that position I’ll have to take your word on that.

Steele: I don’t know a lot of the guys in the business so I didn’t know who’s was beautiful and who’s wasn’t. So I stayed to watch the scene and saw that. And I said that’s my next guy. I’ve been doing movies again since June of last year. I had back surgery, and I shot the first week in July. I had to take like 16 weeks off. I had a herniated disc. They go in there and open up the disc and take some of the bone out; and then they take the herniation off the nerve. It was so bad I wanted to cut my leg off- the pain in my leg. It was constant pain. I couldn’t even go to the bathroom. It’s horrible. You can’t walk, you can’t sit, you can’t sleep. Mine was a 10 and 11mm herniation. They say that’s huge. People with 3 can’t walk and I was dancing like that. I danced for a year like that.

Gene: What were you…

Steele: Thinking?

Gene: No, drinking.

Steele: They had me on Vicadin and a muscle relaxer. But I spread it out because I didn’t want to get addicted to it. But it was necessary. Then I’d go on stage then go back stage, lay down on the floor, cry and take a pill. It was bad. I think I got it from playing tennis. I started playing tennis again after years of not playing. I think the combination of tennis and dancing sent it over the top. My surgeon said the worst sports for your back are golf and tennis.

Gene: And throw in bowling.

Steele: Oh no! I went to that Free Speech Bowling-thing but I didn’t bowl. I didn’t want to risk it.

Gene: So you’re just doing Holliday projects.

Steele: Yeah. You know me. I never did it steady, anyway, unless it was with John Leslie. My first one was Chameleon. I met John Leslie at a Cinderella party. It was in Vegas. I was there with a company promo’ing Dirty Dancing, the Patrick Swayze tape. I was out there handing out flyers for friends who had the company. And I met John at the party. I went to the party with these friends of mine and kept getting business cards from all these directors. And I was talking to John Leslie. He won the AVN award that year for Cat Woman with Kathleen Gentry. When I found that out I started to work for him. If you’re going to work for anybody, work for the best, right?

Gene: If it had been some bozo on the street you might not have been doing adult. How fate and fortune enters into the picture. Remember your thoughts during your first sex scene.

Steele: I was scared to death. But I liked Joey [Silvera] and John had a closed set so it went easier. But I didn’t like the dialogue, but I loved the sex. I knew I wasn’t an actress right off the bat. I featured a couple of years before I did the movies. And I was a centerfold girl for Hustler.

Gene: With that pedigree going, what was a Hustler girl doing handing out flyers.

Steele: Why not?!

Gene: You’re also on The Free Speech Board.

Steele [laughing]: Yeah. I’ve been to one meeting so far. I’m the talent liaison, if I can find them! They want more numbers and more talent to join.

Gene: Maybe you scare them when you use the word liaison. They might think it’s an STD.

Steele: It’s hard getting in touch with these people. They’re always changing their phone numbers and addresses. I’m trying to get them to join Free Speech.

Gene: What were you like growing up.

Steele: I was a tomboy. I was a gymnast for like 16 years. That’s probably where it started as far as the back-thing. Luckily I don’t have that any more. For a year after the surgery, I still did. And it just got to the point where I’m not stiff in the morning.

Gene: I know people who’ve had the surgery and still have the problems.

Steele: Me too. That’s why I put it off for a whole year and tried everything else. And chiropractors couldn’t help me anymore. It was too bad. They told me if I continued to dance I could possibly blow the disc and be paralyzed. That’s what got me into surgery.

Gene: There’s a whole new approach where you try Feng Shui in your panties. So when was your first guy. How old were you and what was there about him.

Steele: I was 17. And he had a big one. I could see it in his pants. But I don’t think it got all the way in, though.

Gene: Now was he sculpted like a Michelangelo statue?

Steele: Yeah, he was kind of huge. I worked in a mall and he owned a shop in the mall. He’d always walk by on his way to the food court and flirt with me. He was 25 and I was 17. We went to a movie and dinner. We did it that night at a hotel.

Gene: Why a hotel. Didn’t he have his own place at the age of 25.

Steele: I think he had a girlfriend.

Gene: A girlfriend who was living with him evidently.

Steele: Yeah. Who also worked at the mall. I knew about her.

Gene: It didn’t matter to you. It was just the cock thing.

Steele: Yes. I didn’t want him for a boyfriend! My first girl, I met her on a magazine layout. Probably in 1986. Her and her husband invited me to dinner. It was the first time I ever shaved my pussy. She shaved it for me in the shower.

Gene: So you were the “other” woman on both sexual occasions. Ever give thought that you might be working in the adult business prior to meeting John Leslie.

Steele: God, no. It wasn’t mainstream, then. There are girls who grow up and aspire to be porn stars and strippers. It’s a legitimate job, now. I had posed for magazines. Actually Mike Rick, who died recently, was my first agent. It was sad. I don’t know the full story. I was at the time going to acting school in Hollywood. I was working at a restaurant. I was answering ads for modeling jobs, naked, and I answered one of his. I met him and he got me into nude modeling. It was okay doing that because I was working with a female photographer. It was Shirley something. She worked for Velvet and Naughty Neighbors. It was okay.

Gene: I always got the impression you were from San Francisco.

Steele: Probably because I danced there a lot. I grew up in the same town Janine grew up in.

Gene: I got the impression that Leslie always seemed to be bringing new girls in from San Francisco where he was from/

Steele: Maybe because he always had to fly us up there to shoot at the time. Remember we couldn’t shoot in L.A. County. The Chameleon was fun. At the time we also did Slick Honey. There was a girl named Sasha in Slick Honey, remember her? She had a nice big round butt.

Gene: Then I should remember her.

Steele: I didn’t think she had a last name. These girls need to have last names. She and I had fucked Scott Irish and Tom Byron at the hotel. Rachel Ashley was also in the movie. Marc Wallice was my partner and I also did a girl-girl with Rachel Ashley and Sasha. It was the biker spoof movie. Jamie Gillis is in it. So was Rene Morgan.

Gene: And there’s the big orgy scene. I can remember the girls from the ’80’s. I can’t remember the ones from yesterday.

Steele: I can’t get it. There’s so many girls now. I’m always lost when I meet a new one. They’re all blonde, and young and all look the same. That’s why I can’t keep them all straight. We need to give them numbers.

Gene: I tend to prefer the older performers.

Steele: Why’s that.

Gene: More maturity, more curves, better interviews.

Steele: You like it when that ass creeps up on a woman.

Gene: Better yet when it does windsprints. And the more dimples I can count the better I like it.

Steele: Oh my God.

Gene: But not too much cottage cheese.

Steele: Who’s your favorite big butt girl? Jewel de’Nyle has a nice ass.

Gene: Right now, I’d be hard pressed to say.

Steele: There’s a lot of people in this business who think that all guys want to see are young, 18 year-olds and that’s not true. I get so many letters and e-mails from guys in the twenties that love older women. When I did the layout for Over 40 Magazine I was just inundated [Steele’s 42]

Gene: You’re holding up pretty well.

Steele: That’s because I’m not a drinker.

Gene: You mean you’ve been in this business all this long and never became a drinker?

Steele: Can you believe that? Oh I’ve been drunk at a few functions and it only takes two to get me drunk.

Gene: So you’re like Kim Basinger in Blind Date where a couple of drinks puts you on top of a piano. What’s the craziest thing you’ve ever done under the influence?

Steele [laughing]: God, I don’t know. I’ve climbed trees with my clothes off. I didn’t do that drunk. I did that sober after the F.O.X.E. show. I took pictures in a tree at the Hyatt Newport Hotel. A friend of mine had a digital camera and it was like two in the morning. I thought that’s a beautiful tree, I’m going to go climb it. The pictures came out really good, too. I was sitting on the patio smoking a cigarette and I looked up at that tree. I thought, wow, that was the perfect shape. You’ve got to go to a classy hotel, right?

Gene: Only if you’re gonna get naked. Did you ever have sex in wild, crazy places?

Steele: At a dairy farm next to the cow-milkers. I used to date a a guy that worked at the dairy. How romantic, huh?

Gene: Especially downwind from the cow manure. Speaking of manure, talk to me about anal.

Steele: I did anal with Alex Sanders in Sorority Sex Kittens 6.

Gene: He’s a pounder.

Steele: He couldn’t do it hard because I was a couple of weeks out of back surgery. They covered my back. I had to keep a shirt on because I had stitch marks. So I just kind of lay on my side. The first time I ever tried anal was with Dick Nasty. It was something Arrow put out.

Gene: You never did one in a Leslie movie?

Steele: No! Never. And the scene was horrible. I was drunk. They gave me some champagne and, of course, I don’t drink. And so I got drunk immediately. The poor guys were holding me up and they didn’t have any lube on the set because it wasn’t going to be an anal. So they used Wesson cooking oil.

Gene: This was spur of the moment.

Steele: Because I was drunk, I think. You know how things change.

Gene: Especially around a drunken woman I know how things change.

Steele: The Wesson oil was so gritty it burnt my ass. My ass hurt for a week afterwards. I got a Wesson Lesson. After that I never tried it again until I came back after the surgery.